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Debating our origins…

As many of you know I mostly debate believers on twitter, hard to find them here.

It’s amusing when they try to claim that the Theory of Evolution has been dunked as has the Theory of the Big Bang. They haven’t.

They usually claim that the 2nd law of Thermodynamics debunks evolution, it doesn’t and here’s why:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF001.html

They claim that the law of biogenesis debunks it, again it doesn’t and here’s why:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB000.html

And on and on….

Their sources for their information is almost always a site directly or indirectly linked to creationism/intelligent design.

That’s like trusting Sony that their camera is the best because they say so and not looking at independent tests when buying a new one.

They confuse laws and theory’s in the scientific sense, that is if they even understand what a sc. theory is to begin with. A law is not superior to a theory. A law explains that a ball will fall if you drop it, the theory explains why it falls. (Simple example)

They don’t understand how scientists work. That scientists always try to debunk someone else’s theory and come up with better ones.

They don’t understand that even if the theory of evolution or the BB would be proven wrong, they very well could be, it doesn’t point to their god.

They don’t understand that there is no big scientific conspiracy against creationism.

And they NEVER understand that if the theory of evolution had been disproved it would be well known. The first I’d hear about it would not come from some random theist on twitter.

Funny that they don’t get that..

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Posted by Magnus H.

Is your ideology more important than the risk of letting a few kids feel like they are accepted and cared about?

The reaction of many Christians to the Boy Scouts recent decision to no longer discriminate against kids who are homosexual has been utterly depressing.

Here in the South many troops meet in churches, yet a number have already “taken a stand” by shuttering their doors for troop meetings.

If you can’t tolerate the idea that a gay kid might sit on one of your pews for fear that your church might succumb to the image of “accepting or condoning” homosexuality then your church had no substance in the first place.

Worse though, is that those few kids who finally felt welcome within an organization are now being told that this acceptance of them is intolerable. Let that sink in for a moment, put yourself in the shoes of a confused 14 year old kid that for once doesn’t feel like his feelings are condemnable when suddenly his safe haven of camaraderie is uprooted by ideological hatemongers.

You can never say that your intentions are good, pure, godly - until you’ve considered the impact of such statements on those that it hits so squarely in the jaw.

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The whole Eden thing smells like a setup.

If god told Adam and Eve that they could eat any other fruit from the Garden except from the “special” tree, it suggests that he deliberately set them up to be punished. He wanted them to do it.

If he made a tree with the power of knowledge, that had no particular purpose, what else was it for except for duping humans?

Either god wanted original sin to hold over humanity’s head all along and needed to scam his own creation, or he wanted them to have the knowledge all along. Then why the original sin?

either way, god doesn’t sound like a nice guy.

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Posted by Jason Drum.

The Persecuted Church

I noticed a FB status today that said the following, I’ll avoid naming names:

One sure way to guarantee Church Growth is to persecute it. History has proven that. Thanks Islam, Atheism ( Which is really Agnosticism, they just don’t know it yet ) Thanks Hedonism, Pluralism, Secular Humanism, and every other ism and schism that persecutes the Church. You are on a self-defeating mission. Your Church Growth Contribution is appreciated.

To which I replied:

I’m not sure that having people pick apart your beliefs and doctrines or challenging your position exactly qualifies as persecution.

The minister responded:

There are different forms and levels of persecution from ridicule for believing in fairy tales up to Islam’s kill the infidel doctrine. They are all working against their intentions and are helping God’s cause and hurting their own. Thanks for commenting.

And finally:

I’m not a fan of ridicule as a form of engagement - but I also don’t think it’s persecution. By repeating the idea that the average Christian who get’s asked to defend his faith (Paul called this Apologia, and said to be prepared to do so) is being persecuted you reinforce the idea that there is no responsibility of the believer to provide an answer to those who have genuine questions, and even those who are not so genuine that simply want to see him on the ropes…

The greatest irony is that the body I see doing the most persecution, via using your great numbers to legislate a fundamentalist morality on the rest of us , is Christianity.

The persecution complex being built here is toxic for your faith, it breeds a lazy and complacent religion - and here we are, kicking against the pricks in hopes that something better might come from your faith than is replete in the status quo.

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Worthless, degenerate, corrupt, ….nothing.

These are the terms that identify the Christian disciple before his god as he strives to meet his creator in the terms set by him.

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